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>> welcome to the "the young turks." we have an awesome show for you tonight. you know what, startling new numbers on the number of earthquakes caused by fracking. >> fracking itself is like a mini earthquake. >> hydraulic fractureing is spreading across the globe. >> and a new perspective on the trayvon martin. >> the police report was a fabrication. >> actually, what america judges for assault, the results are disappointing. it breaks down along race lines. bad numbers on that. that's coming uplift on this show. and then a madman in north korea
is replaced by a mad kid. >> and constant wailing by mourning north koreas who some suspect were staged. >> no, was that staged? well there's a story about a kid born in in a north korea gulag and trained to be a slave for the rest of his life. that's amazing. we'll bring you that story to you as well. you know why? because it's go time. ♪ >> if you live to the republicans, the answer to all of our problems is drill baby drill. if we just drilled more, this country would be great. watch. >> we will drill here, and drill now. now is when we can drill baby drill. yes. [cheering]
drill baby drill. >> well, now the u.s. geological survey said that drilling all over the country from alabama to the north rockies has actually caused a tremendous number of earthquakes. now, what they do in drill somethin' somethin' called fracking. it was explained in a movie called "gas land" by director josh fox. >> it's called hydraulic fracturing or fracking. it drives 800 feet down into the ground. it's like a mini earthquake. it breaks up the rock and frees up the gas. >> ground water contamination. >> i won't drink it. >> all right, now you see it. that's how fracking is done. get a load of how much worse fracking has become. first of all, they used to pump in 80,000 gallons of chemicals
in order to do the fracking in 1988. in 2011 they now pump in 2.4 million to 7.8 million gallons of chemicals. they jar the rocks loose, gee, i wonder why earthquakes are happening. in 2008 we had 3500 earthquakes. which are popping up right here, boom, go, here it comes. no. okay, we had 3500 earthquakes. then in 2009 a little over 4,000 earthquakes. that's a lot of earthquakes throughout the country. are you ready for 2010 over 8,000--there it is. over 8,000 earthquakes. you see what's happening--boom. no, no, ignore all the numbers. don't worry about it. science sucks. just listen to republicans and sarah palin. do you think this might be an issue and it might have something to do with pumping in millions of gallons of toxic chemicals?
no, of course not. in oklahoma we had a 5.2 earthquake, the worse since 1962. and then we've had 50 earthquakes within a 1 point to 2.8 enola fields where they do fracking. on another hand you have significant amount of earthquakes and weather disasters--i should say earthquakes are fracking, and weather disasters might be from climate change. from 1980 to 2010 it hast cost $784 billion in damages. well, well, there are groups that track this for the insurance companies because their livelihood depends on this. they're worried and starting to cover less and less states and less and less people in order to--because they don't want to lose this money. they're thinking, hey, you know
what, the climate change is real. the earthquakes are real. we don't want to cover this thing any more. you can only ignore reality for so long. i want to talk to sharlene leurig, the senior manager for insurance programs at series, a group that does track this. let's talk about how the insurance companies are seeing this. are they significantly concerned with all the changes we're seeing, the severity of storms. >> he is absolutely. 2011 was the costliest year to the insurance industry in its 300 year history. largely those losses were driven by earthquakes in japan new zealand, and there were freak storms in the middle of america that have cost the u.s. industry which saw 40% of the $100 billion in the industry as a whole from storms like tornadoes, hailstorms, other stuff that insurers really
thought would hit their balance sheets like it did. >> is it, you know what, some years are higher than others and you can't make out a pattern. >> there is always volatility depending on what the weather throws at you but there has been an upward trend of losses globally. not just because of climate change although we're seeing some change in the record. but there are confounding factors such as population growth, people moving to areas more in the line of extreme weather. there is no question that it is causing insurance losses to scale upward year on year, driving down insurance profitability and it's a challenge for the sector as a whole. >> how does the insurance sector react to this news in terms of coverage that they have? >> well, it really--you don't have to look much farther than
florida to see the way the insurance industry in this state dealt with this problem. following the hurricanes in the 90s and then hurricane katrina, they didn't like the risk on the coast line. they didn't know what the climate change would mean for insurance, so they moved their business inland. then they saw $14 billion from thunderstorms and hailstorms and other inland risks. so the u.s. industry's pursuit of retreating from the coast lines have not proven to be profitable in the long term. what we see is a need for the u.s. industry to proactively manage the extremes in a way that european insurers are and message climate change in more effective ways. >> it seems like there is no place to run. you go from the coast inland, and then from oklahoma and all of a sudden you have earthquakes
possibly because of fracking. it is believed because of fracking. and every once in a while i'd see pat robertson on tv saying it's god's wrath for living in oklahoma? so where do we go? where do we run? >> that's what insurers will have to figure out. it matters not only for them and their profitability and shareholders but it matters very much to the american taxpayer. if we follow the trend that florida has followed where the state has become the largest insurance company in the state holds more than half a trillion dollars in liabilities then they see their insurance scheme collapse when the next hurricane hits. if that's the path we follow then what we'll see is taxpayers holding the burden of risk. we need to be able to access the capital marks and global risk markets that insureers provide but it means more cooperation between insurers and governments
that develop policies to protect those areas through defensive infrastructure, and other policies. >> one last thing. this is really interesting. is the insurance industry at some point going to turn and say it's the guys doing the fracking or the guys doing the drilling, halliburton, etc. exxon in terms of the oil industry, saying hey listen, stop fracking or causing climate change because you're killing our revenue. >> this is a very interesting question, cenk. the reason in part we're not seeing u.s. insures message climate change and manmade attribution is because of a number of lawsuit that are moving through the court system that are pinning the losses caused by climate change on the historic greenhouse gas emission emissions on compliance. that's why insurance companies have not been out there actively messaging on this in terms of
preserving short-term profits. in the long run the increase in extremes, government stepping in to play the role of insurers spell nothing else but a declining market. that is a very unfortunate thing, indeed. >> sharlene leurig, who covers this obviously for this industry. thank you very much. really interesting conversation. >> thanks very much, cenk. >> all right, when we come back, well, they did a poll on the trayvon martin case. shocking enough it turns out how you look at it depends on whether you're white or black. we'll give you the depressing numbers when we come back. >> even in death they are still disrespecting my son. hershey's air delight.
turks"." unfortunately, so many issues that we have in this country are viewed through the vision of race. not because we think it's so but because it is so. there appears to be a great injustice to some of us but not all of us. a poll asked would it have made a difference if trayvon martin was white and george zimmerman would be arrested? 75% of blacks say if trayvon martin was white, zimmerman would have been arrested. but only 33% of whites say it would have made a difference. now i'm stunned by two things. the disparity in these numbers. maybe i shouldn't be stunned but this is the reality of how we view race differently in this country. i'm surprised by how low this number is. really, you think it would have made no difference whatsoever,
that if it was a white kid yeah, let's check the critical background of the victim, the toxicology report of the victim. maybe. has race played a role in this case? and 85% of blacks said yes. but only 52% of whites say--i'm sorry, 52% of whites say race made no difference okay. again, a huge disparity there. now when you think about that, think about with whether trayvon martin was white was one aspect of it. or whether or not george zimmerman was black. if george zimmerman was black and the victim was white, that it would have made no difference with the cops, oh, the black guy with the gun is obviously innocent, obviously self defense. let's not even check his criminal background. let's not do a toxicology report. really? do we live in the country that you think that?
i'm amazed that people still believe that. we're not accusing--when i say we, the people who are defending trayvon martin we're not accuse accusing all white people of being racist. it's not about that. it's about hey live in someone else's shoes for one day and see it from one perspective. nobody is doing accusations. we got to say hey, we got to get better together. this is a problem in our country for a long time. this is not the first case by a long shot. i only wish it were the first case that this happened. that's why people are skeptical if you change the races that it wouldn't make a difference. of course there was one instance that we're going to talk about back in 1989, central park. i don't know how many of you remember this. but five black and latino kids were arrested for a horrible rape that happened in central park. well, these kids had committed crimes before, and they coerced confessions out of them. later it turns out they didn't
do it. another suspect wound up confessing much later in 2002 and his dna was connected to the crime. what is amazing is the false confessions that the authorities got from them. we're going to show you old tapes here. the kid changed his testimony as to who did what. people think it's a confession, keep it going. and then in the latter part of the story they lead him along to the story that they want, but it turns out he didn't do it at all. let's look at this false confession.
>> you know that actually almost all the four out of the five kids actually had their parents in the room when they did the false confession. it's amazing how effectively they can get those false confessions. and how much race play as role. sarah burns wrote a book, the untold story behind one of new york he's most infamous crimes. she is the daughter of the incredibly famous ken burns. sarah, thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. this is a complicated case. it's not like the kids didn't do any crimes in central park, they did, right? so talk to me about how this came about.
>> sure, well, these five kids who end up being convicted of the central park jogger rape were part of a group of kids of maybe 30 who were in central park that evening, and who were as a group committing a serious of crimes, harassing and bothering other joggers. crimes were committed, nothing as serious as the rape of the jogger, which was a horrifying crime, but one male jogger ended up in the hospital because he was beaten up because of one of these kids. >> reyes, the most heinous person you could imagine stabbed the woman in the eyes so she couldn't testify. but these crimes were committing minor crimes and some assaults as well 37 then they have the
confession. it seems understandable that new york was in a rage and thought it was them. doesn't it make sense? >> yeah, in those first moments it's understandable. these kids, some of these kids were rounded up as they were leaving the park. the idea that they would be suspected in another crime that took place is not a stretch. and then the police did what they were very good at doing which is get confessions. and they were successful at that with these kids in particular. that ultimately led to their convictions. but the problem i think arises later when you have these statements, and they don't make answer sense. when you compare them to the facts of the case. the forensic evidence comes in. they compare the confessions to each other. they don't agree. they get the location wrong. they disagree with each other. as the clip that was just played, they changed their stories in the confession. there came a point when people should have figured out there
was a problem with this narrative of what had happened in the park that everyone had grabbed a hold of. >> so sarah what role do you think was played by the cops thought, hey, i got a confession. i'm going to keep this thing simple and keep it rolling. and what role was played by race? >> well, i mean, i think for everyone, the cops, the prosecutors, the media, the public who swallowed this version of this story, race was important. these kids were black and latino teenagers. they were exactly--they looked like what people in the city--white people in particular, feared. it was very easy for people to believe that they had committed these crimes. even though they were 14, 15, 16 years old, they were children. but it some how wasn't a stretch for people to believe that they
were capable of committing a gruesome crime like that. that had a lot to do with race. >> you go to media accounts back there where they describe savages and-- >> wolf pack. >> exactly. so now we're trying to make wolf pack a positive thing. so one last thing on this, donald trump's reaction. you go back to that time, and i'd forgotten this. what did he do? >> so he placed a full-page ad in the four daily new york papers saying, bring back the death penalty, and bring back our police. he was specifically referring to this case. the new york state did not have the death penalty and this case renewed talks about that, and he was making the argument that the death penalty should return, which was outrageous on a number of levels. one, these kids were minors and would not have been eligible for
the death penalty even if it were in new york at that time. the crime was not eligible for the death penalty. there was no murder in this case. and so the fact that he was drumming up this kind of--i will say blood lust even, it forces you to think about a time when a teenager, a black teenager who was accused of raping a white woman would have been lynched. it's a modern version of that. >> just real quick, do you know if touch ever apologized for calling for the execution of innocent kids? >> i don't believe he ever has no. >> interesting. well, i'm looking forward to that. sarah burns, author of "central park five," thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. hopefully one day we can get past all these issues of race. but that's not today in this country. that's the reality. when we come back, an issue of
gender, should they allow women into augusta? >> normally they allow the ceo of ibm in because they're a major sponsor. this time, the ceo of ibm, a woman. oh no. >> i'm not a member of augusta i don't know if i would qualify. my golf club is not that good. but sure i would have women in augusta, sure.
attack on women that perhaps the majority of the population woke up? >> idaho is not known as approaching act i.v. you had hundreds of women show up, thousands signed petitions. they made their voices heard. what happens is that now, the legislators are running scared. very similar laws have passed quietly in other states for the past two years have intensified. pennsylvania a similar law was shelved, idaho this proved to be political poison. women are paying attention and having their voices heard. >> thanks for coming in. >> the aclu considers a demand that to get a job you have to let an employer open your private
supreme court. well, we've got a couple of issues to a hash out. first news on the unemployment front. we added 120,000 jobs. as my mom would say, thanks, god. it could be better. we'll take it. and unemployment has fallen to 8.2%. that's the best number since president obama took office. the unemployment was rising because of george w. bush and then it has been falling since. look at these jobs numbers. i love this red and blue graph. you may have seen it before. gee, i wonder where we lost the jobs. bush? i can't tell. which direction is it going now. i would love for it to be better numbers but those are good and in favor of president obama. that's not the question at hasn't. what is happening is some of the people who thought they were getting 99 weeks of unemployment benefits found out that is not the case but there has been cuts to those programs, and the cuts are under the gun already. that makes me angry because this
is how much the rich have chipped in these tough times as we ask the poor and middle class to pay. zero dollars and zero cents. yeah, you know tighten your belts. get back on the line. [chuckling] or get off the line because you're not going to get a check. but the rich have so far gotten no tax increases whatsoever. so that's also clear. why are we in the supreme court? interesting. i'm going to go in a different direction on the issue of 99 weeks. i think that 99 weeks is not necessarily the way to go. and i think that if we had a deal where we increase tax on the rich but maybe we knock down the unemployment benefits to 73 weeks or something, i might live with that. my question to the supreme court, let's start with you ana, what do you think? 99 weeks? would you take a deal on it? >> it really depends. it depends on the job market. i don't think 99 weeks is too
long if you're in a bad economy another thing to keep in mind when it comes to these numbers cenk, a huge population of people have decided to just give up on the workforce. in fact, reuters notes people have just flat out gave up searching for a job. that can also contribute to the drop in unemployment. >> i hear you. jayar, let's say that republicans came to you and we're going to increase tax on the rich, but knock down the unemployment numbers to 73 weeks or lower, would you take it? >> if we're complaining how we continue to give up normal things. 99 weeks of unemployment, which is something that they gave up on in the first place a huge portion of taxes get paid by people who doi don't pay any, i don't see why. we're giving up something that should be normal for something that shouldn't be. >> by the way, look at this
equation. so far what we have given up hurts the poor the most. we got nothing in return. we already gave it up. we wouldn't even take the deal. >> you're a lone di di dissenting court. what jayar is saying is true. the people on the other side should have given up the stats all along. let's say all of a sudden bill gates and warren buffet, and all the others start paying their fair share of taxes. that's not going to change the fact that the man or woman out of work still needs those benefits. they still don't have a job. >> i wish we lived in a world that you are in, the liberals don't have to give up anything. that would be an awesome world. >> you're so wrong about this. the point is that the liberals
don't have to give up anything--forget liberal and conservatives. wealthy people should be paying their fair share. it should not be tied to jobs and unemployment. >> bless your hearts. i hope and pray that we get to that world. and by the way, it's easy. don't get me wrong. it's easy for me to say give up unemployment. i'm not the one getting unemployment checks. it's the poor who always get screwed. overall i agree with your sentiment, i would make a deal at some point but we don't get those deals any way. let's move on to the next case for the supreme court. augusta has been excluding women for as long as they've been around which has been eight decades. they hold the masters there. their chief responser is ibm. they normally take the ceo of ibm and make them a member of augusta. this is the problem this year. it's not him, it's her. what are they going to do? it's not an issue for the press. i love how they invite the
entire world of the press to the masters and say how dare they ask questions. what does president obama think? according to jake carney actually, let's watch. >> obviously up to the club to decide, but his personal opinion is that women should be admitted to the club. >> not very strong, but okay we'll take it. here's mitt romney. >> if i could run augusta which isn't likely to happen, of course i would have women in augusta. >> all right, hey, we're making progress. and even newt gringrich joined on the bandwagon after can after callista brow beat him on it. sure. god bless his heart.
now this is why we're in the supreme court on this issue. should men and women have certain things they're allowed to do without gender being involved? drama. go to the court, justice jackson? >> well, certain things. we talked about curves--i don't know if i should throw a plug at them. the all-women's fitness center. there's a reason why they don't allow women in. as we heard from any fitness club, they don't want guys looking at them. >> they want to work out in a comfortable environment. and it's certainly fine. sometimes you want a guys night out. what happens when you don't want women around, you chill with your boys because girls aren't going to be saying hey let's get in on this and break in. >> but curves--by the way i didn't know, and with me having curves i might have accidently gone. i'm glad you told me they don't allow men. >> if you want to be on the augusta golf course and play 18
holes with your boys do it. >> so ana, how come you get to have curves and these poor guys at augusta don't get their golf cames. >> curves is specifically made to make women feel comfortable to work out, lose weight and not feel self conscience. but augusta is where they hold the masters and it's this big thing, it's ridiculous that they don't invite women. are they worried that women will come in and bust up their fancy discussions. >> believe me, it's not the fancy discussion. but can we have a place to do that? >> forget poor guys can go golfing at augusta even if women are members. it wouldn't preclude them from hanging out like they do at every club. if they're going to hold the masters they should be more
inclusion near. everything is wrong with this mentalmentality. it came up years ago when rush limbaugh was going crazy. when tiger woods was in the masters and there was an issue about black masters. >> listen, if you're a large constitution like the rotary club or augusta, of course you have to allow women in. you have become an institution and you're discriminating keeping people out. if you have a small thing, poker games, hanging out with your buddies, have at it. but not large institutions. that's my opinion and i'm sticking to it. let's get ready to rumble. >> i want to make sure that every agency across my administration considers the needs of women and girls in every decision to be made.
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♪ >> all right, we're back with the power panel. great gifts. cliff is joining us from columbus, ohio, and he wrote the book "real mccain." he has a whole radio station he's running in d.c. a lot of things going on with cliff, and doug, a business expert, he also is a political pundit on his "horse sense" blog. it's great to have you here. >> thanks. >> who will win the female vote, and is it fair to say there is a war on women as democrats have been charging? first let me set it up for you guys. in a report we found out in the last year alone, this is stunning numbers, there has been
1100 pieces of legislation introduced against reproductive rights. 135 of them have been enacted. now to a progressive that seems anti-women. and then the white house had a forum of women in the economy. one of the things outlawed under the affordable care act is the practice of women being charged more on premiums, up to 130%. repealing it would be devastating for women. finally today in wisconsin, as you see all of this piling up, they repealed the equal pay enforcement act. what that did was it made sure that women had a redress if they were not being paid the same for the same exact job. and nationwide women get paid $.77 on the dollar to what men make for the same job. and scott walker signed that ball today. having set that up let me get to
you guys. dog, you're the conservative here. that kind of seems like a war on women, doesn't it? >> well, it could be painted that way, church cenk, but numbers are something that people play with. just last year late in the jeer there was a study done that said women exceeded men in pay. i think people should be paid the same for the same kind of work and same quality of work. i don't think really any thinking person would dispute that. >> except apparently the those who keep voting against it. keep going, cliff. >> look, it's not equal pay. there has been an unrelenting war on women from the koman foundation to the arizona legislature which thinks that a woman has to go to her employer and tell them what they are sexual activity is to get birth control to what happened in virginia with the transvaginal
ultrasound and employer are able to not give coverage for women for birth control. everything that rick santorum upheld everything up to chastity belt its. just ask mitt romney. in december a few polls showed him down five points to obama in head to head. he's now down 20. which is unprecedented. he's down 18 points in the gallup poll. in virginia and north carolina and new hampshire, and on and on. women get this, and they realize that the republican party is not in interest of favor of their interest whether it's from reproductive rights and equal pay. >> they care about gas prices and the economy. that's undoubtedly true but women issues are for everybody. what are the argue ament that
you would make where republicans are on your side? >> well, first i would say i agree with you about pay, and certainly other issues that you mentioned regarding the economy, there are equal issues for men and women. they're important to both genders. the reproductive rights issue is a major issue that doesn't drive women. santorum's numbers have gone up with women in many polls so i don't know if we can measure it that way. i think the discussion of re reproductive rights and cost and benefit. we pay for things that may not be things that insurance companies should be paying for. the issue of how you woo the women to the republican side is a tough one. president obama has a very good personality. people like him a lot. and others criticize romney as not being as warm as barack
obama and that hurts him. >> i have to ask you a question. you mentioned, hey obama has a good personality, but he's saying people pay 130% more for health insurance. that's not a personality thing. it's women saying, hey, i don't want to pay more for insurance coverage than a guy does. >> he's lying through his teeth. i was in the insurance industry for years and in most states in the nation and there are equal rates for men and women. >> all right, of course he says that does exist throughout the country. it might not in some places, so that might be a fair point. lying through the teeth. i'm tough on the president but i'm not sure i would go that far. but i hear you. doug and cliff, you were great. i wish i had more time with you guys. thank you so much. >> thanks. >> now when we come back, an amazing story out of north
welcome, and i want to start by staying you might be grad to find out or indifferent that i thought george bush administration, a few of the things they did right was north korea although almost no one agreed with me. >> okay. >> how do we deal with north korea? go become. >> the main concern for various administrations has been the nuclear weapons program because that is the thing that can do the most harm to the most people outside of the country. the other issue is the terrible human rights issue within the country. when this regime collapses it will be seen as one of the worst human disasters in modern history. >> there is a book about a kid who grew up his entire life there. he was bred to be a slave inside one of these north korean
gulags, his mom, brother, they were executed in front of him. no emotions from it. those stories are amazing. tell us what happened inside these gulags. >> these gulags are large complexes. there are several scattered around the country where they have hundreds of thousands of people who are banished to these gulags because they are seen to be disloyal or somebody in their family history that maybe three generations ago was seen to be disloyal. and so in the middle of the night you can get a knock on the door, and all of a sudden your whole family is taken to one of these gulags. where life is described in the human rights chapter in my book to be really a case where you're just trying to live day-to-day, trying to figure out where your next meal is coming from. and it basically becomes a very darwinian survival of the fittest environment where all
sense of familial ties are obliterated. >> in your book you explain as they educate in north korea they learn conjugation by saying, we killed americans we kill americans and we are killing americans. they really hate americans and developed a nuclear weapon. >> that's a good point. i think other issues like iran take center stage in u.s. foreign policy, yet here you have a country like north korea that is far on the other side of the world. americans don't really think about it, but they are on the
verge of developing a ballistic missile and putting a warhead on it that could reach the united states and be the first country outside of russia and china that doesn't have good relations with the u.s. that could be capable of doing this. it's not that the north koreans once they develop this technology the first thing they're going to do is fire at the united states. but they'll sell it to others who want to do harm to the u.s. or others around around the world. >> when we talk about whether ahmadinejad is a rational racketers, but the are the north koreans rational actors and they have the technology. it's not that they don't have the weapon, and we've been quiet on this issue, but is it because they don't have oil. >> that could be part of it, but it just doesn't register on the foreign policy agenda like iran,
iraq, afghanistan, it doesn't have that resonance. but in the next few years as they continue to cross new thresholds in terms of their weapons capability this thing is going to come on our radar screen, the next president's radar screen in a way he never anticipated. and the american public won't know anything about it. that's one of the reasons why i wrote this book. >> solve it for me in under a minute. do we attack or not attack. are we damned if we do and damned if we don't. >> north korea is known as the land of lousy options cenk. use of force does not work because that could lead to a second korean war or possibly a conflict with china. the only thing we're stuck with that every administration has tried is some form of diplomacy and wait out the country.
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stand up on your own. this is a picture of her. some are saying that she looks like callista gingrich. i think we're being awfully kind to callista gingrich. and they say that she is running a glam. paign and this will help women. this is the best compliment that callista has ever gotten. she's running a glam-paign, and they don't talk about the issues but glamour. how does this help? they have a black, latino and asian version of the woman running for president, but it's not on their site. just callista. that's all the time we have. i want to thank you guys for being part of the show. don't vote for barbie. vote for one of the other candidates. you should vote for eliot spitzer's program, view point